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    49barefoot thanks for the info about histamine. I have stumbled over that on Kresser’s blog, but didn’t pay much attention to it. I am going to give a low histamine diet a try.

    Just to update on my situation, I have spent the past 6 months taking herbal antibiotics. The ones I took were recommended by Dr. Siebecker (I had a skype consult with her) Allimed, Biotics Research Lab – Dysbiocide, FC Cidal and ADP. My condition has improved about 30% from when I started to kill the SIBO. I seem to be able to tolerate eating fats a lot better. I still have heartburn and usually diarrhea and it seems to be caused mainly by the bone broth and I now realize it is also slow cooked meat!

    Today I did a little test because I forgot to pack my lunch for work, so I went to the local BBQ shop and bought a 1/2 lb of beef brisket. I ate it with my homemade coleslaw and within an hour the belching and heartburn started. I am still suffering now. I don’t know that much about the brisket cut of meat, but I imagined it is like the pork belly because of its location on the beef. I can usually tolerate pork belly in the form of bacon, but the big difference is the time I cook it. Could the slow cooking of the meats causing histamines be the key to all my misery?

    After reading a little (http://paleoleap.com/histamines/) about the histamine intolerance and the foods that trigger it I am going to try eliminating those foods.

    The saga continues. Sorry I didn’t respond for so long. I stopped getting email notifications of responses.

    Pix, AlleyNYC, 49barefoot, pompadur, Norm and everyone else, I really appreciate the responses. Please update me and let me know how you are doing and if you have figured out how to beat this thing.

    robray
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    I am still having issues. I did a course of Rifaximin and that did change things, but I still have SIBO symptoms if I eat a starch or a meat with a lot of GAGs or maybe glutamine. I retested for SIBO and I am very negative now, so my test doesn’t match my symptoms.

    We have thanksgiving in Canada earlier than you guys so I already experienced the big turkey dinner which is a major heartburn fest for me. Thanksgiving is usually the kick off for the winter season of pain that ends in an ulcerative colitis flare in Feb or March. Anyhow this year I was very careful eating only the breast meat of the turkey as I was trying to avoid the GAGs. I didn’t eat any of the jus (drippings) because I thought that might contain GAGs from the cartilage of the turkey. I still ended up with heartburn and feeling sick. Is this from the glutamine? I will definitely read up on it. I ate nothing that should have given me symptoms and then I did all again the next day with left overs just to make sure. 🙁

    I know I have bile malabsorption (SECHAT test). I think the course of Rifaximin killed off a bunch of SIBO that was deconjugating my bile. I was seeing greasy fatty stools before Rifaximin and now not so much. Instead, I am back to diarrhea (probably caused by bile getting in to the colin).

    I think for my situation Norm is right on with the idea to focus on eating the MCT fats and avoid the saturated fats to try to reduce bile production. I am going to throw in some herbal bile sequestrants too. I want to see if that stops my diarrhea, but long term I would like to understand why I am not absorbing the bile. I have had some very bad UC flare ups so I probably have permanent damage to the ileum (I know UC doesn’t effect the ileum, but the docs saw inflammation in there).

    If you get a chance watch Dr. Ruscio’s talk on the Digestion Sessions that Sean Croxton is putting on. It is awesome. He talks a lot about bile and it really resonated with me. The herbal bile sequestrants he mentions are boswellia, bee propolis and guggul. I am trying the boswellia as of yesterday so I can’t say if it works.

    I really feel like I am on the cusp of figuring out what the medical system couldn’t figure out for 40 years! I really appreciate Norm and all the others in this community that share the info and ideas that they work so hard to figure out. This is true health care.

    robray
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    Is the constipation a result of SIBO? Are you a methane producer?

    Have you experimented with the cuts of meat on the bone? I notice a huge difference between ribs vs pork belly. I have no symptoms with pork belly. I also think the cooking time does make the cartilage easier to digest, but that seems to also make it easier for the SIBO to consume too. In my case long roasting meats on the bone are killer.

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    I can totally relate to this article. I am sure the SIBO/yeast that causes my GERD also releases toxins that affect my brain. I can’t function after certain foods. My family unfortunately knows this all to well and I have a reputation of being short tempered or a very irritable. People outside my family don’t see this because when I feel bad I just go home and it is not a normal state for me, but it does happen quite often.

    Thanks for posting this article. I really believe that some smart doctor or person will sort these gut issues out some day. It seems like the level of understanding has increased a lot in the past few years.

    robray
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    The talk about Dr. Siebecker was part of the Leaky Gut program at SCD Lifestyle. You have to pay for it. I am trying to listen to all her talks on her website. If I find a free talk where she mentions it I will post it.

    robray
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    Saffy, sorry you are going through hell right now. I really don’t have any suggestions for you other than to share my own experiences. I know they won’t be a great help, but here it goes.

    I think I may have blamed fat a little prematurely. I have been doing lots of experimenting with my diet and I think the problem for me was really the BONE BROTH! I was listening to a talk by Dr. Siebecker on SIBO and she mentioned there are GAGs in the cartilage around the meat and bones and the GAGs can be consumed by the bacteria. The bacteria then produces gas and voila heartburn.

    So now I cut out all the fruit and I am slowly ramping up the meat, but I avoid cartilage and really any meat around the bones.

    I still wonder if there is not something to the deconjugated bile by SIBO. When I was eating lots of fruit, low fat meat and lots of non starchy veggies I had a lot of heartburn. I am sure the fruit fed the SIBO. I also tried just fruit and lettuce for a day and was in total hell by the end of it. Could the combo of well fed SIBO and some fatty meat, which causes lots of bile to be released be a double whammy for the SIBO? This idea would coincide with the trouble I have eating bone broth with the meat. It seems worse for sure. Although, it could also be that there is still a lot of cartilage in that meat because it came directly off the bone and so it is just a double dose of GAGs.

    Does the heartburn calm down for you at all? For me it was not too bad in the morning and it would get worse as the day went by depending on what I ate. I did try fasting and I would get heartburn by the afternoon even if I ate nothing, but I guess that could have been the deconjugation of bile by the SIBO.

    Could you try some chicken breast and well cooked spinach or lettuce? Check out Dr. Siebecker’s site. One of the treatments is the elemental diet. I have never tried that, but maybe you could go that route and let the SIBO die off.

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    So I got some more info on my situation. I did a SECHAT test that checks bile re absorption. It turns out that I am not re absorbing my bile. It was a nuclear medicine test. The measurement said my re absorption was 14% and should be > 19%.

    Just before I got those results I listened to a talk by Dr. Allison Siebecker about SIBO. She mentioned something interesting in her talk. She mentioned that SIBO can deconjugate bile acids and that the deconjugated bile acids are caustic and can cause gut damage.

    This seems like a good theory on what’s going on in my gut. It seems to coincide with my experience of increasing bile acids by taking ox bile, enzymes, HCL, bitters and getting a sore gut. I think it also explains that why I get so much gas and bloating when I eat a high fat diet.

    I am really interested in this idea. I did some googling and the idea is not new. There are lots of studies going back to the 70’s. It is tough to find any study where this problem existed and was resolved by treating SIBO.

    Right now, my plan is to have a consultation with Dr. Siebecker and see what protocol she recommends for treating SIBO and preventing recurrence. My appointment is not until Aug 14, but I am not sure if I can wait that long before trying to kill the SIBO. My doc is willing to prescribe the antibiotic to kill the SIBO now if I am willing to take it. Not sure what I want to do. I would sure love to be rid of this problem.

    Any experience or good info on the deconjugation of bile acids by SIBO? What do you think of this as a reason why fats cause us heartburn?

    robray
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    Pompadur, Do you respond positively to ox bile or enzymes? I keep on trying enzymes with bile, but they seem to make me worse. My digestion seems worse and I even get pain in my gut.

    I did a second test after the SIBO breath test that is supposed to measure how my bile function is. I swallowed a radioactive pill and it’s progress through my system and in to my bile gets measured with a sensor. I will let you know if anything positive comes out of it. What test did they do to test your gallbladder?

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